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Comment # 6

Ronal Serpas needs to read some history, to learn what makes the United States different from, say, Romania, and he needs to read some criminologic literature to catch up on the 'trustability' factor of civlians with carry permits, versus police officers. He might also want to brush up on some international history in terms of the deaths caused by criminals, accidents, and suicidal use of firearms, versus the deaths at the hands of POLICE and military who turn on and kill their OWN citizens. Genocidal deaths consistently average about 5,000 per day in those nations which believe the police have an inherent right to be armed, and the citizens must prove some sort of a 'need' to own or carry firearms, and get permission from the police or government.

Here in the good old U.S., we do it differently (and our nation is far safer for both citizens and police); Joe Citizen has an inherent (read 'inalienable') right to possess ('bear') defensive small arms (even 'saturday night specials' and 'assault weapons'), and it is Joe Officer who in fact must ask permission to own or carry a firearm while on duty (working FOR THE CITIZEN, and therefore UNDER OUR AUTHORITY), and must specifically get permission as to the type of gun, holster, magazine capacity, and whether or not the CITIZENS are willing to allow him/her to carry hollow points or not. Now off duty, he/she has the same right to own, without 'permits' or 'registration' the guns the citizens own, and may carry said firearms for his/her own personal protection. Upon signing on duty, those rights are relinquished, because at that point they become contingent on their employer's preferences. I am happy arming the officers bountifully with my tax dollars, up until the point they decide citizens shouldn't be armed; at that point they are no longer serving the law, but attempting to circumvent the law, to the detriment of the citizen.

Sorry if he doesn't like that perspective, but there are probably many dicatorial police-states who would welcome him as an immigrant, and he would have total say over who else had firearms.

Not here, though.

Andrew Johnstone, RPh/MD Doctors for Sensible Gun Laws

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Comment # 7

Chief Serpas, Please take a look at the statistics, we the citizens who go through the process to obtain a permit to carry a weapon are not the "bad guys". Do you think that the criminals in our communities take a look at those nicely done "gun free zone" signs and really give a crap? (the answer would be no). These individuals go into the restaurant or establishment that serves alcohol, they consume alcohol and are more likely than anyone with a permit to injure or kill someone. Please don't lump me into your comment that "everyone" thinks this is a bad idea(to not allow permit holders to carry in establishments that serve alcohol).


Take a look around at the society we live in & those who are charged to serve and protect us. These people, ( please know that I do not believe all law enforcement officers are in this group. There are many who go to work each day, put there lives on the line & have more integrity than they are credited with). are not always "the pick of the litter", they have anger & control issues, they are corrupt, and don't always have our best interest at heart. With the school shootings, mall shootings, and quite frankly just the random shootings & deaths (primarily women by the way) that we hear about on the news every week, I feel much safer when I leave my home and know that I have a way to defend myself, and those I love if I am in a situation where a nut case, drug addict, or unstable person decides to commit his crime and I just happen to be in his way.

I think you better take a good look at the TN statistics of permit holders committing crimes, they are few compared to the total # of permits issued. Permit holders are responsible people, go to the range and practice with & are familiar with their carry weapons. We have no desire to have a return of "wild west" days or blood running down the streets. Take care of your city Chief, and all the good people of Nashville before you think you have any rights to dictate for all of TN permit holders laws which our legislators have passed because they have studied the FACTS and know who the ""bad guys" really are. (legallyarmed.com could help you if you want to see the facts)

Sincerely, Dawn N, Niota, TN


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Tennessee Handgun Permit Holders
Are Responsible Individuals

By:  Gene Kennedy
LegallyArmed.com staff writer

Nashville Chief of Police Ronal Serpas has issued a statement regarding Tennessee Handgun Permit Holders and proposed legislation that would allow permit holders to carry their handguns into establishments that sell alcohol for consumption on their premises.  "If all of us think it's not a good idea, I think that should carry some weight with the legislator,"  said Chief Serpas.  Here is the letter sent to members of the Tennessee House of Representatives [ Sheriff's letter ].

What Chief Serpas did not say, probably because he does not know or does not want to speak about,  is that alcohol and guns  have been allowed in some Metro Nashville night clubs for a long time.  Although the proposed legislation

does not allow a person who has a valid Tennessee Handgun Permit to consume any alcohol while in the establishment, Metro Nashville already allows this to occur without  having to enact any new legislation.   

Firearms, Alcohol, & Exotic Dancers

Currently in Metro Nashville, almost all the strip joints don't sell alcohol.  They charge a fee to enter their establishment and, they sell set-ups [soda & mixers] to blend with the personal liquor taken into the establishments by the patrons in 'brown bags'.

Current law stipulates that a handgun permit holder may not carry their handgun into any establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises.  They can enter a location that sells alcohol for consumption off the premises.  Tennessee  Law is MUTE about taking your own personal alcohol into these establishments while carrying your handgun.  Alcohol is not sold.  Only the mixers are sold.  Has anyone heard about any shootings by Tennessee Handgun Permit Holders visiting one of these establishments?  We have heard about 'thug' & 'gangster' shootings but, not by permit holders.  It could also be because the majority of Tennessee Handgun Permit Holders are law abiding people that probably don't patronize these establishments.  However, the way Chief Serpas thinks about law abiding citizens that have undergone a complete criminal background investigation by law enforcement agencies including their County Sheriff, The Tennessee Department of Safety, The Tennessee Bureau of Investigations, and the Federal Bureau of Investigations, that as soon as this legislation passess, Tennessee Handgun Permit Holders will immediately begin to drink excessively and start shooting up the establishement and their neighborhood.  This seems to reflect statements when the handgun permit law was proposed in the Tennessee General Assembly in 1993 and 1994.  'The streets will run red with the blood of innocent people'.   Did that happen?  

Resturants That Sell Alcohol Not Bars!

This proposed legislation primarily addresses establishments that sell  food and alcohol. Not bars that receive the majority of their income from the sale of alcohol.  If Chief Serpas wants to speak against this proposed legislation, lets speak on the issue. Don't try and cloud the issue with statements that are not valid.

Have there been a lot of shootings in Kentucky where a similar law already exists?  The answer is no.  In Kentucky a legally armed citizen may go into any establishment that sells alcohol for consumption on the premises as long as the permit holder does not consume any alcohol [this prvision is also included in the Tennessee proposed legislation by Senator Jackson].  They also require that if any establishment receives more than 51% of their revenues from the sale of alcohol, they must post this on the main enterance to their establishment so legally armed citizens can be aware that this is a location they cannot enter with their firearm [I.e. a bar].   Since Kentucky and Tennessee recognize each others authorization to carry handguns, have their been a number of shooting incidents by Tennessee Handgun Permit Holders in Kentucky?  Again, the answer is no. 

Davidson County Handgun Permit Holders
Are Not Responsible Citizens

If Chief Serpas took the time to investigate if problems with handgun permit holders exists, he could just look at the statistics for Davidson County that are based on actual data, not assumptions.  Again the answer is no [ Davidson county statistics ] . Two percent (2%) of the population of Davidson County have a handgun permit.  Are all of these individuals not responsible enough to be allowed to go to a resturant that sells alcohol and not drink?

The letter from the Tennessee Public Safety Coalition that includes Chief Serpas, says "Firearms and alcohol do not mix" and says in part, "It makes absolutely no sense to us to allow persons to carry guns into establishments where alcohol related fights are most likely to occur."  Well, how many alcohol related fights have been reported at 'The Olive Garden', 'Demos Steak and Spaghetti House', 'Lobster House', 'Hermitage House', 'The Melting Pot', or any of the good restaurants around Nashville? 

Only Law Enforcement Should Be Allowed To Carry

It seems that Chief Serpas and the individuals who are on the Tennessee Public Safety Coalition who mirror  the same positon as Chief Serpas, don't think the average Tennessee Handgun Permit Holder is trustworthy enough to take their family to a restaurant while carrying their handgun. 

Chief Serpas could take a date on the town with his pistol and nobody is going to say anything to him.  If  he is confronted in the establishment or in the parking lot by an armed robber, he has a chance to survive the incident.  Not like the family man who was killed in the parking lot of O'Shannassy's Restaurant  when it was open on Broadway in downtown Nashville on a Sunday afternoon in broad daylight, after eating a meal with his wife.  No, guns were allowed so he was un-armed.  

Property crime is heavy in Nashville. Is Chief Serpas suggesting that your firearm is safer in your vehicle than on your side or in your purse?  He can be safe but any person who possess a handgun permit cannot.  Does this make sense?  Does it make sense to give the criminal element, gangs, and thugs, a better chance to commit their crime because they know that firearms may not be carried by law abiding citizens in or around locations that sell alcohol for consumption.  Criminals will have a better chance to commit their deeds because the odds will continue to be on their side if this legislation does not pass.

Chief Serpas and the other law enforcment individuals who believe that law abiding citizens should be at a disadvantage by not being allowed self-protection by carrying their firearm, should be ashamed to offer better odds to all the gangs in Nashville.  Thinking like this brings us back to the days when individuals wearing a badge and carrying a sidearm believed they were the only ones who should be allowed to carry a firearm, until someone realized that it is not their job to protect the citizens.  It is up to the citizen to protect themselves.  The job of law enforcement is to enforce the law.  Not to protect the general population.  By speaking against legislation like SB 23 / and HB 410, Chief Serpas and others are placing odds on the side of the criminal, gangs, thugs, and are also going back to the days  when individuals in law enforcement thought about themselves and the general public as 'us' and 'them'. 
 
This legislation helps to reinforce the intent of the Tennessee Handgun Permit Law.  To allow  a means of self-defense to the citizens of Tennessee. This legislation is important and needs to be enacted for the safety and welfare of the citizens of Tennessee.
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Comment # 1
I have been watching the news like everyone else. Chief lets take care of your house (department) before you attempt to take care of mine. You have officers with anger problems, Hitting their wives( No reports Wonder why ), Stopping citizens and delaying them for 20-30min without reason or at least none given other than random. I have friends in your department if only half of what they have said is true, we need a much closer look into your house since my tax money pays for it. House cleaning starts at Home.

Handgun Permit Holder
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Comment #2
Chief Serpas is absolutely WRONG in his thinking. Did he not read the proposed legislation or think no one else has? Also, when he states tha "ALL of us think this is a bad idea" whom is he referring to? Just his cronies that he has convinced that the passage would be bad? I would like to know what percentage of all the police and sheriffs agree with his biased views. Does he think that no one carries in bars now, legally or not? Primarily the ones frequenting "BARS" and carrying now would be considered the "less than law abiding" crowd anyway. The proposed legislation will not change a thing where these people are concerned. Allowing restraunt carry legally will only help to "even the odds" should some deranged nut case decide the restraunt that you have chosen to have a meal would be his best platform to make his move to make the 10:00 news.

Jerry W Huntsville Alabama
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Comment # 3
Thanks again for all you do to help law abiding citizens to protect themselves. Our cities have become a haven for the lawless, and some of our elected/appointed officials these days are certainly not qualified to protect us.

Since I am not a Tennessee resident I can not provide direct support for this legislation. However, my heart is certainly with you.

Dennis
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Comment # 5
There are about 200,000 handgun permit holders in Tennessee. Some of these people are drinkers and some are not but, why this Chief thinks most of them would start a fight in a restaurant is just silly. 

David Holly, Tennessee
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